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I’m sure SF has something similar. I felt relaxed by end of my first visit. Hopefully your perspective can help other readers decide if this is the best experience for them or not and if so, whether a mixed gender or segregated day is best. The Roman-Irish Bath. It’s indeed very insightful and informative. This is a place to go for peace and relaxation. Co-ed days: ), Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter where we share our latest travel news and tips. Glad to hear that the tea water is sometimes hot (even if it is too hot!). I saw many couples who also came in with robes. After reading your original article again, I think that you entered the “female” side because you mentioned a small cold bath. My wife and I are customed spa users, and in our country, naked spa with same gender is common. Attendants are around and were quite helpful to use. Then onto a progression of pools that begin warm and become increasingly cooler. Last entry is 2 hours before closing although you should probably try to allow yourself the full 3 hours so you don’t feel rushed. We were coming from a pleasant morning spent in Heidelberg, and arrived by car in Baden-Baden later in the afternoon. Hi Meghan, glad you also enjoyed your time at Friedrichsbad – we really loved the relaxing atmosphere there! Thanks Arthur for sharing your experiences of visiting public baths and sharing your tips and encouragement to others! There is a larger cold bath area which is more relaxing, my opinion. If you purchased the optional cream massage, you’ll do that now. Las mujeres pueden llevar una especia de sabana para ir de un lado a otro, pero para sauna, baños de vapor y piscinas, deben ir desnudas. As awesome as this sounds, I know I would chicken out! Roemerplatz 1, 76530, Baden-Baden, Baden-Wurttemberg Alemania, SOLO PARA PISCINAS, EL RESTO NO VALE NADA, Es una buena opción para descansar unas horas en las piscinas, porque los baños de vapor y saunas no valen nada. We’ll have to check these out, particularly the one in northern California since we live in the SF Bay area. We went to Friedrichsbad on a mixed-sex day so men and women were using the same locker room. However, you can also take the 201 Bus and get off at the “Baden-Baden Leopaldsplatz” stop. Gift vouchers … An attendant will give you a warm towel, which feels particularly good after a cold bath, and you are given time to sit and dry yourself off. Now the final two rooms are for pure relaxation. Baden-Baden - Discover Friedrichsbad and live the real experience with the Green Michelin Guide - find useful information and opening times - Friedrichsbad. It’s just not the same for women to expose themselves as for men, so it’s really stressful as well as very gross. After our cold but invigorating plunges into the cold water, we ran back over to the showers for some warm water. We did make a stop visit on our way out to the Renaissance Hall to see some Roman artifacts for a few minutes. Friedrichsbad. If you are spending the night in Baden-Baden, some hotels also offer discounted admission tickets. I do think the professionalism of the staff is the key here as they help people feel comfortable, set the tone, and also keep other guests in line. My husband and I did this for the first time last fall and loved it! It sounds like you got over your initial anxiety and concerns and felt comfortable fairly quickly. I felt very strange in the beginning, but soon (because everyone is “dressed” the same) I was okay with it. Also send me the latest blog posts by e-mail, Independent Travel Cats Monthly Newsletter, Logos, images, and content all protected by copyright. After the shower, you’ll want to grab a towel (likely will be handed to you by the attendant) and plastic slippers. Yeah, I think it just takes an experience to get over the nudity piece. Its how human bath in the first beginning. It really is beautiful to see mothers teaching their daughters to be comfortable in their own skin, to respect and love their body. Then the next shower followed by the soap scrub. (Or how my husband will feel… relaxing and spas aren’t really his scene. Ok, all anxiety gone as it’s a must now. To enter or leave the locker room, you just use the electronic wristband. Lockers are opened and closed with your electronic wristband so do remember your locker number. Echa un vistazo a los 6.468 vídeos y fotos de Friedrichsbad que han tomado los miembros de Tripadvisor. I’d like to think I would, but I think I’d get there and chicken out! La tarde pasada en Friedrichsbad (Baden Baden / Alemania) Los baños termales son un fragmento casi intacto de la vieja Europa Want to keep up to date with us and our latest travel tips? Answer 1 of 2: We have visited on Sunday, a fully mixed bathing day when we shared all stages and Saturday, a mixed day where we shared stages 7-11. You can call them +49 (0) 7221 27594, visit the Friedrichsbad webpage, or visit the CARASANA website. Relaxing! Here in Friedrichsbad, the Roman bathing culture, combined with Irish hot-air baths, unfold their full effect. After ten minutes you forget time, after 20 minutes, you forget the world. Bottom line, I had a great time that I went back on following Tuesday (another mixed day as I now have no desire to go to same sex day). So if you do not want to see opposite sex bathers, I would avoid this stop on the route. As noted some of the saunas/pools are small, but some are quite large. Si resides en otro país u otra región, selecciona la versión correspondiente de Tripadvisor en el menú desplegable. You need the towel in the dry saunas to put down on the wood benches, although I noticed some women kept the towel wrapped around their torso while they sat. The first time was very nice and exactly as you stated. The bottom level is all clothed (swim suits), there are warm pools, hot pools and steam saunas. You can watch short YouTube videos in German that highlight parts of the bathing ritual and give you an idea of the inside of the baths. Caracalla upstairs is not regimented, you can go anywhere — dry sauna, steam, Jacuzzi or whatever and stay in any of them as long as you want. Subscribe to our monthly newsletter. This is a very good blog and explains very well what to expect. We had enquired before going and found that the day we wanted was mixed and these baths are completely textil frei, s wonderful expression for naked only. Friedrichsbad. There are 14 different stations and this particular place is known for their creativity, they say leave your modesty outside and that is where you take the courage to go completely nude ..and it was a mix day today...added soap-and-brush massage and an 8-minute cream massage to finish up...lovely experience! Hello Laura, we were just in South Korea in April and had thought about trying one of the spas or saunas there, but we ended up not being able to fit it into the schedule. I hope you have a wonderful trip to Germany and feel free to email us if you have any trip questions! Information on the single-sex days can be found on the spa’s website at. She gave me a great scrubbing followed by the ending naked butt slap. Then move on to the slightly hotter room for Step 8: Thermal steam baths. That opportunity occurred past July. It was a great place to go alone. We decided to split up at this point and Ethan headed back to the Step 7 & 8 thermal steam baths and I asked the attendant for slippers and a towel to go lay on the wooden chaises at Step 2. For us, Friedrichsbad was a place that was both anxiety-provoking with us stepping out of our comfort zones to be completely naked in front of others and incredibly relaxing. They look very big in pictures, but they are very small in real life. • The wristband you are wearing keeps track of your time at the spa. We’ll tell you how you can visit the Friedrichsbad Baths in Baden-Baden, provide some tips, and then share our own awkward but fabulous experience at the baths. Saunas were wonderful. When I was there last month (which was my first time) I did both scrub and massage. However, going naked in public has been “bucket list” since turning 50. You can still walk into the Friedrichsbad building for free and visit the Renaissance room and you can also pay to see the Roman bath ruins if interested. Best, Jessica. ... We would like to know more about your visit, e.g. During our visit, the other guests were mainly older single men and middle age and older heterosexual couples, but there was one other young couple and two single women. My wife and I visited Baden Baden in November of 2014 and had a wonderful time. I am guessing that they do try to divide staff on separate sex days but I am guessing there is still a decent chance of being in the presence of an opposite sex attendant. We had a good time after some initial awkwardness, but definitely not for everyone:) Thanks so much for stopping by Nicole! Lo sentimos, no hay rutas ni actividades disponibles para reservar online en las fechas seleccionadas. I couldn’t believe it. You can get to know this exclusive bathing pleasure and enjoy it during a special tour with 17 different stations. It was a good “exposure treatment” to get rid of our fears:) I have to admit that I would probably not have done this without Ethan though as we really were not sure what to expect. Judy, thanks for sharing your experience at Friedrichsbad with me and my blog readers! Sounds like fun! I still remembered how embarrassed I was fining myself to be only young female in the entire area with men on my own! Yes, I think especially when laying on the chaise lounges, you do feel awkward and vulnerable. Friedrichsbad has both separate and mixed sex days. Japan sounds like a fun place to try this! Things I would suggest bringing: deodorant, any essential hair care or cosmetics, a brush or comb, contact case and solution (if applicable), and clean socks and underwear. While drinking tea, I enjoyed the small balcony and just basically said (to myself), look at me world as I am buck naked and enjoying myself with no more anxiety, no more concerns. It is definitely not for everyone, which is why at most of these places like the Friedrichsbad Baths in Baden-Baden have both single and mixed sex days. I did elect to go up the spiral staircase. My second visit was no stress, no anxiety. Your email address will not be published. Importante detalle para conocimiento de navegantes: son unas termas en las que todo el Circuito se hace desnudo (no lo hemos visto anunciado previamente, aunque es posible que se nos haya podido escapar). I got the extra creme massage and would say it was OK. But we were lucky because there were clean towels in both of our lockers so we went from our clothes to wrapping ourselves in our towels, which just served to prolong the inevitable nudity for a few more minutes. As always, we’d love to hear from you. By Bus: Buses travel regularly from the Baden-Baden railway station to the town center, and you can check the local bus routes and schedules. Now since we knew we still had a lot of time left, we went back to do some of the prior steps we enjoyed. Required fields are marked *, Notify me of replies to my comment (just replies to your comment, no other e-mails, we promise! Don’t worry of not having a “perfect” body. Interesting, if we go to Iceland we’ll have to try the hot pools:) In many countries there are few, if any, public places that you go with co-ed nudity and so I think it is just such an odd experience for so many people. Again, thanks for sharing your story and hope that you enjoyed mine. It’s very normal to be a bit anxious on entering, but you will feel relaxed, far away from your daily routine, in a short time. It is about a 5 to 7 minute walk from Leopaldsplatz (main town square) down Sophienstrasse to the baths. I actually visited here a few months ago and couldn’t have written a better post. Thank you for writing a beautiful and detailed story about your visit to the Friedrichsbad. I’m guessing that after some initial awkwardness, I’d get used to the nudity and adopt a more “European” attitude. If you don't see the confirmation e-mail, please check your spam folder. If you make a purchase using one of these links it means we may earn a small commission at no extra cost to you. I give you and your husband a ton of credit for daring to go nude. It’s a wonderful building, old but not grubby and very clean. It sounds like both bath experiences are definitely worth a visit and each is better suited for certain travelers. Once through the frosted doors you strip off your suit and put it in a cubby hole and everyone is nude. Now, get rid of your sitting pad and take another shower here before moving onto the pools. This sounds absolutely amazing! This is also a great place to check on how much time you have left. I could have stayed another hour. Pero es la ciudad en la que más he. It is a bit surprising as a lot of Americans (and other foreigners) visit the baths all the time and it has been featured numerous times by folks like Rick Steves. Will lived in Germany for a year and he said there are no hang ups about nudity there, that the body is not viewed in a sexual way. Don’t forget to have a sleep in … Most were in German, of course, but I think there were a couple in English. You feel so clean after all that bathing! Ethan actually fell asleep and while I tried I was too concerned about neither of us waking up and our time running out. For more on the 17-steps, you can read about our experience below. This has been a popular meeting-point for artists, actors and musicians for over 40 years. Answer 1 of 2: We have visited on Sunday, a fully mixed bathing day when we shared all stages and Saturday, a mixed day where we shared stages 7-11. This post definitely helped inspire me to think about this! • Before or after you visit, you should take a quick peek at the Renaissance Hall upstairs (free admission)  where you can see a few Roman artifacts and even taste some of the hot thermal water from the fountain. I just kept looking up at the dome while Ethan swam some laps. For some reason this surprised us as we were anticipating separate locker rooms. If you are shy with the opposite sex chose the ladies or men only days. Although many people feel anxious being nude in front of anyone. Definitely something I want to add to my ToDo List of Adventures! So assume it'll be mixed, and if you're going with an opposite sex partner go on a day when it says it's mixed so you can definitely be together. I would recommend sending an email to the spa about the issue or leaving them a review as that is definitely not something that should have been said around customers. I have done this in Italy and my husband has done this in Japan, but will have to add Germany to our list next time we are on the mainland. The rest of the steps go rather quickly and if you still have a lot of time you might want to decide if you want to revisit any of the other steps you’ve already done. But I think because you are there for so long you just naturally begin forgetting about it and feel less anxious. See some of the popular local attractions, like Kurhaus of Baden-Baden. So be forewarned. A great report on a wonderful place that has been on my “bucket list” for quite some time. Thanks for commenting Lance. This spa place sound so lovely and full of history. If you feel good on naked hot bath, please visit Taiwan because there is a plenty of relaxing and healing hot springs for you to experience. :o) I admire all the travel you’ve done! Thanks Iva, yes, many German people seem to have little reservations about nudity. It was very nice to be around people, but to be quiet and not have to make conversation. They gave me instructions and off I go. Whole families come and I have seen many mothers bring their young daughters. After stowing all our things in the lockers, we said our locker numbers a few times to ourselves to try to remember them and headed into the spa. Como ourensano que soy, tengo un apego especial por el termalismo y los baños. Nach dem 34°C warmen Sprudelbad kommen Ihnen die 28°C des Bewegungsbades recht kühl vor. And to everyone who hasn’t visit a public bath or sauna yet: “Step over your fear and allow yourself a very marvellous time”. Unusually … Lleve toalla porque no sabía que estaba prohibido, me dijeron nada más entrar que me la quitase, la dejé en una percha y al salir. Thanks so much Chris for sharing your experience at Caracalla with me and my readers! I went on Sunday afternoon, a mixed day. I don’t know if I could visit or not. However, the only option for visiting Friedrichsbad is to have a naked experience. As I said, knowing what I know now, I would never do this on a mixed day, and I also don’t think it’s worth to try it again on a gender-segregated day, but on the bright side, this experience has completely cured me of any concerns about fashion. I did follow the proscribed route (with the single exception of the bubble bath that was too full). Then off to the siesta room and tea at end. It was a very relaxing and therapeutic experience., thoroughly enjoyable. Just make sure to check this property's cancellation policy for the exact terms and conditions. We’d love to hear some of your U.S. recommendations for similar types of places. Only difference is there’s almost no co-sex nude spas in Asia whatsoever. By Train: A number of trains arrive at the Baden-Baden train station, but you’ll want to drive or take a bus or taxi to reach the town center. Even with my towel down, I had a hard time staying in this room for more than a few minutes as I found it too hot. We definitely will try the Romanian style of bath. 2.3K likes. Before leaving, make sure you have returned your wristband. It’s just an opportunity to lie naked in front of fully clothed men and let them get their hands all over you. To check your time, there are a few little meter stations where you can check it. I also think that for the best experience, it is best to follow the proscribed route which it sounds like you went off of during your visit (missing the dome bath etc.) "If you are coming here with a partner, go on Wednesday or Sunday for mixed days...." Wellness in Baden-Baden, Baden-Württemberg • If you are going on a separate sex day, the locker rooms and spa areas will be segregated except for Steps 10 (thermal whirlpool) and Step 11 (kinotherapeutic bath). But we went anyways and here is our experience. • You don’t need to bring anything to Friedrichsbad other than money for the admission price or your online voucher. Hi Yvonne, Thanks for taking the time to comment on our nude bathing post! You are likely to not even talk to the other bathers. Hotel am Friedrichsbad offers a beautiful historical façade and spacious rooms with modern décor. And co-ed would be a new experience. Elija otra fecha. I agree with you that the professional approach by attendants help reduce then eliminate anxiety. Also note that on same sex days, the large domed pool in the middle is still shared on same sex days. It’s closed on December 24 and 25. It was much more relaxing the second time around as I was no longer concerned about my nudity at this point and was able to better take in the pretty bird titles and peacefulness. Hotel am Friedrichsbad is a short walk from the Caracalla Therme thermal baths. So, all my anxiety had to vanish immediately as first attendants were women. 17 stations where you do various things. This is a sunny room with chaise lounges, big warm towels, magazines, and warm tea. • There are curtained individual changing spaces, lockers, mirrors, and even hair drying stations located in the locker rooms. Traditional Czech dishes are served in the Prager Stuben restaurant. Al mismo tiempo, su conductor y guía se mantienen flexibles para que haya espacio para sus ideas, así como para cambios y deseos espontáneos en el plan. Balneario-spa en una construcción del siglo XIX funcionado con aguas termales sin tratamientos especiales más allá de lo que proviene de la naturaleza. Hope you get to experience this yourself someday! Hours and Friedrichsbad mixed days Hours: The Baden-Baden spa is normally open seven days a week, from 9 am to 10 pm. Caracalla Therme is located next door to Friedrichsbad. Maybe if there really were only a couple people throughout. Hay días en que los hombres y mujeres están separados, creo que dos a la semana y solo coinciden en una piscina final. Its most relaxing that way. Yes you are naked. Ethan and I whispered occasionally to each other and talked to the attendants as needed, but otherwise kept our mouths shut.

Round-trip luxury coach transportation from Frankfurt included. If we head to Germany this summer, I think this will need to be on the list if we can get up the courage. Una excelente realización de este tour en el sur de Tannes le ofrece todo lo que siempre soñó. The Friedrichsbad Baths, located in Baden-Baden Germany, is an elegant bathing complex that originally opened in 1877 as one of the most modern bathing establishments in Europe. If you’re ever in the LA area, my favorite is the Wi Spa. I heard a male attendant tell the female masseuse that I was an American to which she replied “Oh God!” I was a bit perturbed at this comment though I did not confront her with it when she came in. Ethan actually wanted to chicken out of this, but I said we had to do all the steps to get the full experience. • Is it creepy, romantic, sexual, etc.? This is the area of the spa when you can best imagine the former majesty of one of the grandest bathing houses in Europe in the late 1800’s. Friedrichsbad - Baden-Baden: la opinión de la Guía Verde Michelin, información práctica, mapa y cálculo de ruta para tu viaje Baden-Baden Thanks for all your tips about Caracalla Therme. I went. In fact, Ethan after learning that not only were we going to be naked but it was going to be in a co-ed place, stated we should not go. Perhaps the best part is that your 2-3 hours here are spent within a steamy haze of marble, brass, colorful titles, and majestic domes. The mixed sex thing can be mind boggling for some for sure. • Now if after reading all of this, you are thinking there is no way I am going to be able to enjoy this and I am going to be worried the whole time about the nudity or the routine, then this might not be the best place for you. After we broke out of our warm little cocoons, we were then directed to the final room Step 17: Reading room. There were two women in the domed pool as you noted. Every day except Monday and Thursday is mixed. However, Ethan loved it in here as did another guy we noticed who spent quite a bit of time in here beyond the recommended 5 minutes. In Step 2: Warm-air bath, you’ll lay down your towel on the wooden lounge chair and then lay down on your towel. A lot of our trip had us doing things and being active, but here we had to be quiet, reflective, and stay in our own heads. x. The water is warm and there is soap/shampoo dispensers on the wall. ... Also, we were only in town one day and it happened to be a mixed day. We went on a Friday which is a mixed day and for mixed sex couples this would definitely be best. La ruta única de los vins d'Alsace encanta a los visitantes en los vestigios medievales de peregrinos en la famosa región vinícola de Alsacia. Yes, Friedrichsbad is a fun place to visit if you are in Germany. Last updated: June 18, 2020- Written by Jessica Norah 59 Comments. Volveré porque por el precio que pague (casi 30 euros) estuve dos horas descansando en las piscinas calentitas. After this “textile-free” experience, I have discovered my deep and abiding love for a simple piece of cloth. I am referring to the sprudelbad. This is the first travelcats article that I have read and it won’t be the last. What I was trying to say is that the bath is so small, I didn’t even realize that that was the one with the dome above. Gifts for Travelers – Travel Gifts Made in the USA. Baden-Baden is known as a spa resort town, and there are other baths in town. Lo mejor en los alrededores de Baden-Baden y... Excursión de un día desde Baden-Baden a... Bosque Negro. Yes, Hotel Am Friedrichsbad does have fully refundable rooms available to book on our site, which can be cancelled up to a few days before check-in. ¡Disfruta de tu inolvidable viaje! A bit intimidating but sounds like a great experience. After joining back up again, our sadomasochistic sides had us dare each other to jump back into the Step 13 cold water bath. I was a total gentleman while I was there, I did not stare at the ladies nor did I become erect at any time so I did not deserve a comment like that at all. Most of the public spaces at Caracalla require swimwear (although there are nude areas) and it is very family friendly. Do you have your own experience to share about your visit to Friedrichsbad baths or a similar spa experience? Don't miss out on our exclusive monthly giveaways with lots of fun travel and photography related prizes! If you are looking for massages, spa treatments, and couples wellness packages, you can also check out the CaraVitalis services. In hindsight, I should have just asked the attendant to wake us up in 30 minutes and she probably would have done so. Being a subscriber also makes you eligible to enter our monthly travel and photography giveaways! 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The view of the artistic frescos at the heart of the spa, on the round dome above the Roman/Irish baths, is a tonic for body and soul. There is only room for one or two people at a time. While the experience sounds wonderful, I wouldn’t have the courage to do the nudity part–not because I am ashamed of my body, but I think of it as so sacred I wouldn’t want anyone else to see it save my husband (and please don’t take that as a judgment–it’s how I feel and I want to honor others’ views as well). We noticed this not only at the bathes but in the public parks in Munich where people were nude (or almost so) and topless bathing on public beaches. Best, Jessica. Shower #1. Today only the scrub. Now, for Step 4: Shower you’ll head back to the same showers as before. Offizielle Seite des Friedrichsbades - "Der schönste Weg zu sich selbst!" How awesome. instalaciones es un lujo, a un precio del todo ajustado. 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